Ginnels, Alleys, Snickets. (Call them what you will.)

[Stanley]

Wendy, lovely idea. It's a along time since I went and had a poke round my old stamping grounds in Stockport. Must mention it to the daughters, we should have a day out! I'm surprised that my comparative steps haven't been recognised yet. I think they have been mentioned already..... Here's another before I forget it.

[David Whipp]

Mr and Mrs Moss are doing a good job of gardening that area.

BUT, shouldn't be getting ion front of ourselves - the steps still need sorting out...

[Stanley]

A bit of a clue, taken in 2002. Cue an answer and the Story!

[PanBiker]

Stanley's steps are up from butts to Taylor Street and his second path is a continuation of Butts to Parrock Street, photo taken from behind Parrock Cottage.

[David Whipp]

Before there's a call for a stewards enquiry over the gross failure to provide said story as reward for answer... I've found the photo's needed for illustration are saved as tifs. Will take old dog a while to work out how to deal with this. Normal service will...

[Stanley]

Just open them in your image browser and save them back to file using 'save as' but alter .tiff to .jpg just before you save. It's a miracle!

[PanBiker]

As above but if you seek out a freebie image editor called "Irfanview" you can do batch processing operations on multiple files. Handy for resizing images and changing file types if you have a few to do.

[David Whipp]

Ta. Will tackle later.

[Stanley]

While you are all pondering, this 1853 map is well worth a close study. A lot of things have changed in the last 150 years!

[Stanley]

Not a ginnel any longer but it used to be an access to a small cottage at the end and probably a way through into Wapping. Harold Duxbury used to collect the rents for these garages but didn't know where to send the money. I don't know what he did with it! He told me that land ownership here and all the way back to Parrock Laithe was uncertain. I confirmed this when I transcribed the Calf Hall Shed Company minute books. CHSC bought the Parrock from the Trustees of the Baptist Chapel and there were endless disputes about boundaries largely because the old deeds were so vague.



This bit of neglected land is a mystery to most people. It is the original course of the open watercourse from the tail race of the water wheel at Clough Mill. When the ford was done away with in about 1815 it was culverted and so this dictated the limit of the later chapel. The ownership will be with whoever owns the Clough Mill Site now, Pendle Council? Whoever it is, they should be made to tidy it up!

[David Whipp]

Terry Moss and his wife built a bungalow at the end of the garages Stanley pictures. Between the two of them, they have done a magnificent job of planting up and looking after scraps of fallow land around where they live, including along the Parrock Street ginnel and in the narrow space alongside the beck. They were presented with Barnoldswick in Bloom Awards last year.

Very interesting about the land between the chapel and joiners shop. Was aware of the watercourse, but didn't realise that it was part of the land gifted by Silentnight to create Clough Park. Will be an interesting project; thanks for highlighting it Stanley.

[Stanley]

Almost certainly the case as the mill would want control of the tail water.... Mitchells and their successors had the riparian rights back up on to the moor. I can't see them not wanting control of the beck down to the ford. Unless the council took it over when they culverted it in 1815.

[David Whipp]

I've asked if I can have sight of the title to Pendle's Clough Park land.

[Stanley]

That'll be interesting! Bring it round and let me see it!

[David Whipp]

Don't get too excited; not sure if Pendle has a deed packet for the land (and, if so, would only be able to inspect at Nelson Town Hall).

Most likely, I'll get a pdf of a copy of the Land Registry entry; which I'll post on here if I do.

[Stanley]

Butts story?

[David Whipp]

Sorry to keep you hanging... (again, don't get too exited - it's not that interesting!). Will post when I can sort out and draw breath...

Meanwhile, here's another set of (rather shorter) steps.



I could have tried to fob Stanley off with the tale that Taylor Street steps were built the wrong way...

► Show Spoiler

Coming down, instead of going up!

[Stanley]

Here's another show spoiler. I reckon that one of the faults with the Butts to Taylor street steps is the fact that they were unstable. When Butts was built Bracewell cut away the hillside to maximise the space he had for the building. The soil was carted away and dumped in an old quarry at Calf Hall just beyond the cattle grid. This meant that, until it settled, the ground behind the big breast wall of the mill would be unstable so when the steps were refurbished a large concrete block was cast at the bottom for a toe that the steps could lean on if they moved again.
When it was proposed that the mill be demolished for a supermarket I advised that the residents on Taylor Street should take note because there was a good chance that the stability of the land that the end of the street is built on could be compromised.

[David Whipp]

Ownership - Clough Park.pdf

The land between the Methodist Chapel and joiner's shop isn't shown as belonging to the Clough Mill land gifted by Silentnight to the council.

[Stanley]

Interesting. What caught my eye was the mention of 'Hey Farm Cottage' at the back of the farm. They got that wrong I think. The cottage was the West end of the main building originally.

[David Whipp]

The Land Registry documents, worryingly, do have some simple mistakes on them; 'Mosely Street' not 'Mosley Street', which Kev mentioned (and of course, it was originally 'Mousley Street').

[Cathy]

Terry Moss - we have a Terry Moss (1933) on our family tree, married a Thelma Uttley. Great Grandson of our GrGr Grandad John Henry Moss (1855)

[David Whipp]

Sunday name is Terence. He may have remarried; to a Freda.

[Stanley]

Those concrete steps are bugging me....

[David Whipp]

OK, clue; near a ginnel already pictured in this topic...