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by jpmurray681
16 May 2017, 18:52
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

Hello again JP, I know I've mentioned it before but the whole area between Burnt Hill and Barnside was once known as Shawhead, it seems to me that your Poundscaghead could easily have become Shawhead. A simple thought i know but the current Lancashire boundary goes "round" Shawhead, I tend to favou...
by jpmurray681
16 May 2017, 17:53
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

I think I've found how to attach a document so here goes. If this works I''ll attach a modern map version

Why is it not working ? I've tried to add an attachment, I've submitted it and where's it gone ? I can't see a post doctor as advised above so now what do I do
by jpmurray681
14 May 2017, 10:48
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

If I knew how to post an image with my reply I would do but I can't figure it out. I wanted to post a printout of the full Abbey bounds so I'll just give the relevant ones for our purpose as copied from an old account in Whalley library. Through the divisions of Midhop to a certain oak called Le Cro...
by jpmurray681
13 May 2017, 13:15
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

If you can see Bleara Moor summit from a high point on the moor behind the Moorcock then that may have been sufficient for the purpose of knowing where the boundary line ran. A part of that Moorcock hillside is, or was, known as One Tree Hill. I've only just resurrected my interest so havn't been up...
by jpmurray681
12 May 2017, 20:44
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

I concocted today's theory as I studied an old map and saw ACRES, but I had speculated The top of Bleara before as it is a prominent site with archaeological remains, Also, our experts in the derivation of old words and language suggested that burnacre denoted moorland ie the head or top of the moor...
by jpmurray681
12 May 2017, 13:42
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

After not posting for two years I've just had a review of my quest to find a couple of points on the ancient account of the Whalley Abbey boundaries. To review, the line came through "The crooked oak at Admergill" which is long gone but seemed to be a point on the moor near to the Moorcock pub. This...
by jpmurray681
18 Apr 2016, 19:42
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN
Replies: 150
Views: 16537

Re: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN

Fascinating facts and theories and now that little area is a bit remote and unused. Just on the top of the nearby lowest of the two Wheathead tops is evidence of much disturbance which I took to be quarrying activity but may also be mining.
by jpmurray681
17 Apr 2016, 20:47
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN
Replies: 150
Views: 16537

Re: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN

Hi John, I need to apologize as I seem to have managed to stick an extra number on the front of my grid ref. It should read 834 435 and is very slightly south west of Craven Laithe farm. I think it may be little streams on two sides and then it's squared off on the other sides. As I said it seems to...
by jpmurray681
16 Apr 2016, 19:33
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN
Replies: 150
Views: 16537

Re: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN

John, the feature which got my attention is at 3833434. Hope it proves of some interest.
by jpmurray681
01 Apr 2016, 18:37
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN
Replies: 150
Views: 16537

Re: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN

I had noticed that the lidar images produced on the link provided by 6fingersskipton didn't provide as much detail as one might want but still provoked interest.I'm only a casual searcher of all things old and had managed to speculate an approximate area for the site and although the images showed s...
by jpmurray681
30 Mar 2016, 19:10
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN
Replies: 150
Views: 16537

Re: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN

I reme mber reading one of your posts about it so with the link posted above, I had a scan around all the area I thought you hinted at and a couple of weeks ago had a wander onto one of my favourite little tops at wheathead. Give me a hint if I'm close and I'll do a bit more wandering in the summer....
by jpmurray681
28 Mar 2016, 20:45
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN
Replies: 150
Views: 16537

Re: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN

this threads gone a little quiet but no doubt it will liven up again soon so i'll pose a question for Stanley.

Some months ago you felt that you may have detected the site of an ancient hill fort just off the Gisburn road, have any of the links enabled you to verify that idea?
by jpmurray681
09 Mar 2016, 14:57
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN
Replies: 150
Views: 16537

Re: EARLY SETTLEMENT IN WEST CRAVEN

What a fantastic addition to the history hunters armoury. I wonder if it'll assist my search for 2 long lost Whalley Abbey boundary points which exist in the area and which created interest last year and which I havn't given up on yet. I'd already wondered if the lidar searches of the area might une...
by jpmurray681
21 Jun 2015, 13:58
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

With regard to the double ditch which i mentioned in my last post, this was from a reply by John Clayton and posted by wendyf. This said that an estate/county boundary ran east from the former Greystones inn via a supposed abbey cross above Sandyford and then followed a double ditch down to Hey. I m...
by jpmurray681
17 Jun 2015, 12:21
Forum: Local History Topics
Topic: FORGOTTEN CORNERS
Replies: 4100
Views: 265475

Re: FORGOTTEN CORNERS

While I was wandering along the Harden valley in my quest for elusive Whalley abbey boundaries I twice noticed a farmer dismantling what I assumed was a disused field wall. On my descent from Bleara moor on my second search I happened to pass the spot where the farmer had been working and saw that i...
by jpmurray681
17 Jun 2015, 12:00
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

In the absence of any further insights from local interested parties I had a look in the library to see if there was anything new to discover about Hague. In the History of Barlick by Atkinson it suggested that Hague was mentioned as long ago as 1381 and indicating an enclosed area for animals. I ne...
by jpmurray681
19 May 2015, 10:30
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

It's been a few weeks since I posted any new musings as i seemed to have gone as far as I could without any new info. I took a walk into the valley bottom where the northward parish boundary kink occurs and then up the wooded valley to emerge at Hague and it got me wondering why the existing parish ...
by jpmurray681
08 Apr 2015, 09:31
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

That brought a flurry of activity and quite a few points of interest especially with a view to old place names. Knowing more about the derivation of these old names gives us a chance to pinpoint the two places we're seeking. Strangely both experts that have tentatively tendered an opinion position t...
by jpmurray681
05 Apr 2015, 10:13
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

Thanks for those quick replies to my latest musings, they give me a buzz that others are interested in what began as curiousity on my part in a few lines in Jessica Lofthouses Three Rivers book. I've used the account of the map of Whitemoor as we hunted down the two mystery places and found it more ...
by jpmurray681
04 Apr 2015, 10:55
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

Wendyf's post and map show the point between the canal and old railway where the old county boundary came across from east to west and is also the point where the parish of St Michael le Gylkirk (Bracewell) met the Thornton parish boundary, It's shown on the OS map as a very faint dotted line. It th...
by jpmurray681
03 Apr 2015, 15:42
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

My train of thought was that since the abbey bounds had already drifted outside of the county boundary at Admergillhead and the next point (head of Benerker) was eastwards then that could indicate Bleara moor as contact from the Pendle group indicated that the word could refer to a beacon hill. That...
by jpmurray681
01 Apr 2015, 13:45
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

I'm still searching so over the last couple of weeks I've had a wander from Kelbrook up the valley, initially to spy out the lie of the land around Burnt Hill where the county boundary makes a 90 degree turn to the south. This is where I've tentatively placed Poundescagheud since the history of the ...
by jpmurray681
05 Mar 2015, 13:22
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

I have received a reply from PENDLE FOREST HISTORY GROUP which raise some interesting points, it goes as follows. It is very possible that the boundary ran pver Pendle hill across to Alainseat (admergill)around Admergill head and across the Black Dyke to the Greystone cross above Sandyford along a s...
by jpmurray681
21 Jan 2015, 13:43
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

Its interesting to find out that the point i'm speculating for poundeschagheued is in an area which was known as shawhead since as I noted earlier sceag is an old word meaning wood and I think shaw means a clearing in a wood and the top of Kelbrook moor was still wooded in the mid 1800's and partly ...
by jpmurray681
20 Jan 2015, 13:27
Forum: Research Topics
Topic: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES
Replies: 67
Views: 12032

Re: ANCIENT WHALLEY ABBEY BOUNDARIES

I committed a small faux pas in my last post when I said that the boundary went south westwards to poundeschagheued when in fact it should be southwards. The boundary from its last named point ie Head of Benerker adjoins with that of the parish of Thornton and from the previous point, which is the c...

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