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Post by Tizer » 06 Feb 2020, 10:25

There's still room for an equivalent of National Service but not with a military objective. No guns, no fighting but away from home working on useful projects, mainly outdoors, learning practical and social skills, in uniform, all treated the same, looking after each other, learning to respect and to observe discipline, travelling, gaining wide experience and knowledge etc.

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Post by plaques » 06 Feb 2020, 11:31

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There's still room for an equivalent of National Service but not with a military objective. No guns, no fighting but away from home working on useful projects, mainly outdoors, learning practical and social skills, in uniform, all treated the same, looking after each other, learning to respect and to observe discipline, travelling, gaining wide experience and knowledge etc.
This idea was part of Franklin D Roosevelt's 'New Deal' to combat the depression in America. Of course they were in the midst of a deep recession where millions were out of work and people were literally starving. Not quite the same situation here but we are getting there.

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Post by Tizer » 06 Feb 2020, 15:53

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Of course they were in the midst of a deep recession where millions were out of work and people were literally starving. Not quite the same situation here but we are getting there.
Boris is doing his best to get us there. :extrawink:

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Post by Stanley » 07 Feb 2020, 03:23

I agree with everything that has been said. Of course I would do because that is what I did but something has to be done to give our children greater horizons than appearing on Love Island and becoming a millionaire celebrity.
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Post by Stanley » 08 Feb 2020, 07:37

See THIS BBC account of a report on the 20,000 new police officers.
Officials working on Boris Johnson's pledge to recruit 20,000 new police officers in England and Wales within three years say more than 50,000 will actually be needed. Home Office and police officials say the target is not high enough because so many are set to leave the service. It comes as campaigners say officers need a starting salary of £24,000 or more for the original target to be met.
The government says that 'recruitment is proceeding apace'. So that's all right then.
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Post by Tizer » 11 Feb 2020, 09:48

It beggars belief that the Post Office was allowed to carry on wrecking these people's lives...
`'Post Office false theft claim left me bankrupt'' LINK
`A postmaster says the Post Office spent £320,000 suing him over £25,000 he was falsely accused of stealing. Lee Castleton, from Bridlington, East Yorkshire, was made bankrupt after he lost a two-year legal battle with the Post Office. A recent ruling found problems with the Post Office's accountancy software could instead be to blame for the losses. The Post Office has apologised and accepts its "past shortcomings".

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Post by Stanley » 12 Feb 2020, 03:45

Give PE their due, they sussed the Post Office out as soon as all this happened and are still hounding them.
None of the top management held to account. Big golden handshakes. Sounds like the old story.
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Post by Stanley » 28 Feb 2020, 07:29

See THIS BBC account of the latest evidence of mental problems, including suicides, that are directly related to Universal Credit and Benefit cuts after flawed assessments.
"The researchers found no links to any impact on physical health, however, or any evidence universal credit had led to an increase in the number of claimants finding jobs. Launched in 2013, universal credit, which combines six benefits into one, was an attempt to simplify the welfare system and get more people into work. But its implementation has been criticised for introducing long delays and a tougher use of sanctions. Numerous concerns have been raised by MPs, charities and select committees and there have been several cases of vulnerable individuals killing themselves after having problems with the new system. The researchers followed more than 52,000 working-age people between 2009 and 2018, who were taking part in Understanding Society, the UK Household Longitudinal Study."
Do we need any more evidence that austerity is very bad for the poorest in society? Some lives are evidently very cheap.
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Post by Tizer » 28 Feb 2020, 10:37

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..BBC account of the latest evidence of mental problems, including suicides, that are directly related to Universal Credit and Benefit cuts after flawed assessments.
To be fair, they may be `directly related' in the sense of a statistical correlation but it doesn't prove that one caused the other. As in so many of those claims about affects of things on our health. That's not to say that I wouldn't expect the Universal Credit and Benefit cuts after flawed assessments to have some effect on mental health of some people, of course.

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Post by Stanley » 29 Feb 2020, 04:19

In the last few days cases of deaths directly attributable to cuts in benefit have been cited in Parliament. One death is too many! There are many stories of flawed assessments and the success rate of appeals against them is over 80% but the problem is that another cut, in Legal Aid, has precluded many from appealing. It's got to the stage where the Justice System, while supporting those who represent themselves, have pointed out that these cases take longer and are clogging the appeal system.
The impression I get is that the private companies who run the assessments have a vested interest in stopping benefits presumably because their contract with the government is based on success rates in lowering expenditure. But of course, due to the old canard of 'Commercial Confidentiality' we can't know this for certain.
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Post by Tizer » 29 Feb 2020, 12:05

I've related in the past how one of our friends could no longer work due to heart disease but he was told that he couldn't continue with getting his benefits unless he turned up at the benefits office. He drove there, had a heart attack in the car park and died.

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Post by Stanley » 01 Mar 2020, 03:02

A case in point Tiz. Who's to say his condition wasn't exacerbated by the stress of being called in? As I said, some lives are cheap and it is an inhumane system, completely contrary to the principles that underpinned its inception.
Modern governments have lost sight of the principles that should motivate policies, the good of society.
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Post by Stanley » 10 Mar 2020, 04:59

See THIS BBC account of a report by Crisis drawing attention to the shortfall in efforts by councils to help homeless rough sleepers caused by shortage of funding. The councils are reduced to advising rough sleepers to contact private landlords. Try to imagine what sleeping rough could be like in weather like this. Then reflect on the display in Westminster Abbey yesterday.
We are losing our way and neglecting what should be the priorities.
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Post by Stanley » 17 Mar 2020, 04:46

One of the questions Johnson was asked yesterday was about the effects of the current fast moving situation on the Budget and in particular, funds for alleviating the worst effects. We got a vague answer admitting that things had changed and alluding to the Benefits System but nothing concrete.
Being a pessimist in these matters I don't think that anything will be done about Local Council cuts to services, Social Care, food banks or the effect UB is having on families including evictions. Vague promises about 'mortgage holidays' which are outside the Government's remit don't cut it. I fear for anyone on the edge.
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Post by Stanley » 18 Mar 2020, 05:11

Noticeable that any mention of cuts in the number of beds and neglect of staff in the NHS over the last twenty years is totally absent. How many times did we hear arguments for the reduction in bed spaces which said that as so many people were out of hospital sooner many beds were redundant. Add the freeze on nurses pay and you get a situation where use of field hospitals and takeover of private hospitals is being considered.
One can only hope that these lessons are being learned and will be applied in the future. You can economise on many things but not on provision for health care!
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