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Post by Stanley » 01 Sep 2019, 01:51

The trees are nothing to do with it Tiz, it's on display here at a museum. Pressure cooker is correct but original purpose isn't. You're getting very warm.
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Re: MYSTERY OBJECTS

Post by chinatyke » 01 Sep 2019, 03:13

Is it an old kier boiler for boiling cloth, especially linen and cotton, under pressure with caustic soda solution prior to bleaching (or more accurately as part of the bleaching process)? Only type I've seen were upright ones with a separate reboiler arrangement through which the caustic solution was recirculated and heated.

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Post by Stanley » 01 Sep 2019, 03:48

You have got it China! Originally used in bleaching and dyeing cloth under steam pressure while being rotated.
Tiz, you were partially right about wood because the ones I came across had been saved from scrapping because a new use had been found for them, boiling up wood and perhaps paper also in caustic to make the raw material for tea bags. The ones I saw were at Bolton and there was a double bank of them with about 9 kiers on each side I think. Very impressive, bigger than this one and we had to put some new rivets in on the trunnion base plate where the rivets were 4" long.
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Post by chinatyke » 01 Sep 2019, 05:58

There is a grisly story about vertical kier boilers. The cloth is fed into them from above in 'rope' form. The cloth must be evenly distributed around the inside so that it doesn't "turn" during the pressure boiling because if it does the end cannot be found and it means cutting the cloth to extract it and it could take a week to empty the kier. These kiers would hold thousands of yards of cloth and tons of caustic liquor. In the olden days, young boys were engaged to 'pile' the rope around the kier, standing inside with a stick and arranging the rope evenly as it was fed in. The boy was extracted, the kier sealed and boiled overnight. One night a boy was left inside the kier when it was sealed. That changed the law and automatic pilers had to be installed after that. This formed part of the talk given when we showed visitors around Loveclough Printworks.

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Post by Stanley » 01 Sep 2019, 06:27

Ah, Loveclough! I wanted to do a segment of the LTP on finishing and Loveclough would have been ideal but I couldn't persuade the steering committee that it was important. I still think that was a big mistake.
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Post by Stanley » 02 Sep 2019, 04:24

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Can anyone tell me what this is?
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Post by chinatyke » 02 Sep 2019, 07:00

Is it a type of clutch to engage/disengage the drive to whatever it was attached?

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Post by Stanley » 02 Sep 2019, 07:24

No China, but you are in the right area. The clue is the roller in the slot at the top of the lever.....
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Post by Tizer » 02 Sep 2019, 08:46

chinatyke wrote:
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This formed part of the talk given when we showed visitors around Loveclough Printworks.
Grisly stories always feature in such talks. When I took parties around the brewery I used to tell them the true stories about men who had fallen into the fermentation vats on the night shift and couldn't get out. Also the engineers who had suffocated in the dense CO2 under the fermentation vessels while doing maintenance work. people expected it - if you omitted the stories someone was bound to say `What about that chap who fell in?' I was told similar tales about people falling into the oil saponification vats (caustic soda) when I spent some time at an edible oil refinery.

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Post by chinatyke » 02 Sep 2019, 11:52

Second guess: I think it is a reversing gear.

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Post by Stanley » 03 Sep 2019, 03:21

You've got it China and I won't insist on the whole story. It's the reversing gear in the drive train for the scrapers on the tubes of the economiser at Bancroft. The most fascinating thing about it is that it is automatic. As it operates the lever moves across slowly and at mid point the roller in the curved groove on top of the lever falls over in the slot knocking the lever over and reversing the drive. Then it does the same thing in the opposite direction. A very clever bit of kit!
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Post by Stanley » 04 Sep 2019, 03:44

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I used this image not long ago in another context. What I want to know is if anyone can answer any of these questions.
What is it?
What was the original name for it and why?
What is the connection with having a good night's sleep?
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Post by Cathy » 04 Sep 2019, 05:57

Does it make mattress springs?
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Post by Stanley » 04 Sep 2019, 06:23

No Cathy but you have made the right connection. Remember we're talking old.
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Post by Cathy » 04 Sep 2019, 09:21

Did the machine make this early type of mattress support. Are they called bed strings, can't remember the correct name.
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Post by chinatyke » 04 Sep 2019, 10:46

I think it is for processing cotton and removing the seeds producing a cotton "mat" - was it called a scutcher? These would be used in mattress making.

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Post by Stanley » 05 Sep 2019, 02:50

Almost there China but remember, this was a fulling mill and the staple was wool.
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Post by Gloria » 05 Sep 2019, 11:00

Blanket making?
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Post by Stanley » 06 Sep 2019, 04:18

I have to come clean, China was so close. The machine is a Willow, so called because the original machines used willow withies to make the grid in the bottom that allowed dirt to fall out of it. The later machines were called Flock Shakers and they worked by loading staple fibre, either cotton or wool and the pegs on the drum tore the staple apart allowing any detritus to fall through the grid at the bottom.
In later days at Helmshore the machine was used mainly for processing the flock out of the flock mattresses in common use. You brought your lumpy mattress to the mill and the contents were taken out and put through the machine. This separated the lumps and 'lofted' the fibres which could then be replaced in the mattress cover. At the same time any dirt, dead insects etc. were shaken out and fell out of the bottom.
China was right again when he mentioned 'scutching'. Lofting mechanically was part of the scutching process with the difference that the end product was a mat of clean lofted fibre which could go forward for carding as part of the condenser spinning industry for wool or cotton.

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Post by Cathy » 06 Sep 2019, 04:53

The process is a bit like the way a Dry Cleaner cleans bed quilts today. Wool, feather and down etc.
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Post by plaques » 06 Sep 2019, 10:28

While we are on machines what's this?

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Post by chinatyke » 06 Sep 2019, 13:14

Window cleaner/ maintenance cradle headgear on a high rise building?

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Post by plaques » 06 Sep 2019, 20:42

I dare say that since its normally mounted on a ship it could be used for cleaning lighthouse windows. Two points for China for lateral thinking.

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Post by Stanley » 07 Sep 2019, 01:57

Headgear for laying submarine cables?
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Post by plaques » 07 Sep 2019, 06:48

Almost there. What kind of cables?

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