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Post by Stanley » 24 Jan 2012, 05:58

Two separate subjects really but they always seem to be lumped together. The subject has gone quiet of late but it will return!
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Post by Tizer » 25 Jan 2012, 11:43

The previous Climate Change thread can be viewed here, in the archive: click here

From the RealClimate web site:
"A TV series that ran on Norwegian TV (NRK) last year included a simple and fun cartoon that demonstrates some important concepts relative to weather and climate. In the animation, the man’s path can be considered as analogous to a directional climatic change, while the path traced by his dog’s whimsical movements represent weather fluctuations, as constrained by the man’s path, the leash, and the dog’s moment-by-moment decisions of what seems important to investigate in his small world. What might the leash length represent? The man’s momentary pause? The dog’s exact route relative to concepts of random variation?"
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Post by Tardis » 25 Jan 2012, 14:25

Bound to return at some stage, only the latest eveidence shows no temperature increase over the last decade

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Post by Pluggy » 25 Jan 2012, 15:24

You must be reading some sceptic websites, the joint 2 warmest years on record are 2005 and 2010. 2011 was the 10th warmest on record globally and the 2nd warmest on record in the UK.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/20 ... -on-record
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/2 ... 18087.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16366078
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Post by Tizer » 25 Jan 2012, 17:03

Pluggy's correct. The `no temperature increase over the last decade' claim is the argument used by what has become known as the `false sceptics' brigade, i.e. the group that denies everything regardless of evidence (as opposed to the `real sceptics' who quite rightly want good evidence but are willing to accept this when they see it). They rely on an odd high year in 1998 and ignore the ocean cooling effects of La Nina. Here is a temperature curve averaged from the main 5 sets of data. (From Open Mind.)

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Post by Stanley » 26 Jan 2012, 06:40

Isn't it amazing how resistant to evidence groups like the false sceptics are. Rather than examine the veracity of their statements I puzzle about why they do it. We need healthy scepticism, after all, that's part of the scientific verification process. Put a hypothesis up and try to destroy it but using valid evidence. From what I can see the false sceptics reaction to being asked for evidence is the shift the argument and obscure the debate. One of the common ploys they use is to bring in global warming which seems to me to be a separate matter. All right, there are linkages but climate change is about effects and GW about mechanisms causing it.
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Post by Tizer » 26 Jan 2012, 11:53

"..the false sceptics reaction to being asked for evidence is to shift the argument and obscure the debate."
The `straw man' technique, much favoured by those who are not willing to accept evidence.

I wish the term `global warming' had never been invented, it gives the wrong impression to the public. It was first used by scientists to discuss the topic among themselves and was never meant to imply sunny Mediterranean weather - it was meant to differentiate warming over the whole Earth as opposed to regional warming (which can occur in one region while cooling balances it in another). The media picked up the term, then the public adopted it and bought their sun hats and sun cream for the new British Riviera. The truth is that we know the global climate is changing and it is more likely to get warmer than cooler overall, but individual regions and local areas could see vast swings in weather patterns with much turbulence and storms the like of which we have hardly ever seen before. Throw away the sun cream and batten down the hatches. David Attenborough thinks the UK will get colder and he could be right because the change in global climate could shift or disrupt the Gulf Stream and we would lose our privileged weather pattern and end up like all other regions on this latitutde - think Labrador and the Kamchatka peninsula!

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Post by Stanley » 26 Jan 2012, 14:26

Weather in Nain as I write, -14C and snowing.
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My source: More or Less R4

Last Night's Council Meeting also had the LEAF application, and hopefully a cut'n'paste will allow the formatting to survive:

Local Energy Assessment Fund

1.1 Community group name
Barnoldswick Town Council

1.2 Lead organisation for your project
This will be the organisation who will receive a grant if your project is successful. This may be the community group listed above or, if your group is not legally constituted an appropriate body which will support your work (see guidance for details). Please tell us (200 words maximum):
Name of the lead organisation

Legal status

How does your organisation redistribute it's profits? As a Parish Council, we do not make any profits. We are all volunteers and any funding that is secured is distributed to community projects.
How does your organisation make decisions? (e.g. Board of trustees) All 14 elected Members of the Town Council take decisions at full council/ committee meetings.
1.3 Contact details for lead organisation
Contact Name: Richard Nelson

1.4 Community description
Describe the community which you work with or serve including where it is, how large it is and information about the area (e.g. urban or rural, type of housing) (250 words maximum)

Barnoldswick is a town within the West Craven area of the Borough of Pendle in Lancashire. It is just outside the Yorkshire Dales National Park and the Forest of Bowland Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. The former mill town is built in the shadow of Weets Hill, and Stock Beck, a tributary of the River Ribble which runs through the town. It has a population of 6,877 with 2,926 households. The predominant housing stock is stone pre 1919 terraced housing. Barnoldswick has maintained it's manufacturing base being home to Silentnight Beds, the UK's largest manufacturer of beds and mattresses and Rolls Royce plc.

1.5 People and Organisations
Tell us about how people and organisations in your community (not just those in your organisation) will be helped by this project. (250 words maximum)

This project has potential to benefit many residents in Barnoldswick, pending on the viability of a micro-renewables study. As the findings will be incorporated into the Neighbourhood Plan, it has the potential to transform the energy chain in Barnoldswick, with benefits to businesses, community groups and households alike. The Low Carbon Zone project focuses on the areas that have the highest levels of fuel poverty in Barnoldswick. By working with these residents and providing advice and information on measures and means to improve efficiency of their homes, we are confident that we can help reduce fuel poverty.

2.1 What will you do if we offer you a grant?
Please note, if you need support in developing your project proposal, you can include up to £1,000 in the project budget to pay for support or advice from third parties in helping develop your bid. This will only paid if the bid is successful. See guidance for more information.

This project will support the implementation of a 'Low Carbon Zone' in Barnoldswick. We want to work with our residents to support them in taking action to reduce their carbon footprint. By undertaking detailed energy surveys for each property within the Low Carbon Zone, we’d like to identify a range of measures and technologies which can then be targeted to meet the individual needs of each household, promoting the Green Deal and Heat Incentives schemes accordingly. The area for the Low Carbon Zone has the highest levels of fuel poverty in Barnoldswick. It consists of approximately 1,200 properties, the majority being stone terraced houses falling into the 'hard to heat' category.
Funding is being sought to implement the first phase of the Low Carbon Zone project which will provide the feasibility studies required to take the scheme to the next stage.

Its longer term vision is to create sustainable neighbourhoods whereby residents take pride in 'greening' their homes and streets; where residents actively monitor their energy use, take action to implement energy improvement and renewable technology measures, support renewable community energy enterprise schemes and lead on wider community environmental activities such as community wild harvest schemes, woodland management, street calming, workshops/ events and environmental improvements. The overall aim is to seek to conserve non-renewable energy and reduce the carbon footprint of the area.

2.2 Outcomes
Please use the following table to tell us about outcomes (include up to 4 outcomes) your project aims to achieve.
Outcome
Your outcomes are the changes that your project will make. An outcome describes what is changing, how it is changing and who is changing Need / Baseline
Tell us about the starting point for this outcome, including any information you have about current energy use and awareness in your community - and how you identified this. Benefits that will result from your project
Include how many people/households you think will benefit from your project and, where possible, information about the number and scale of energy efficiency and renewable energy measures or savings in carbon emissions you expect will result from your project. Monitoring & Evaluation Indicators
List the indicators you have chosen to measure the change(s) your project is making? Tell us how you will be collecting information about these indicators.

Outcome :

To reduce domestic carbon emissions from properties in the Low Carbon Zone by inspiring residents and landlords to take action to make their properties more energy efficient.

Throughout Pendle, 22% of housing stock failed to meet the minimum standard for housing, of which 70% was due to excess cold. This was identified through the Stock Conditions Survey.
Typical SAP ratings of such properties, based on the Healthy Homes Scheme is 47.

Approximately 1,200 properties will benefit from the project. Improvements undertaken through the Healthy Homes Scheme indicate potential to improve SAP (Standard Assessment Procedure) ratings by 22 through energy efficiency measures but potential renewable technologies offer greater scope for savings.

Improvement in SAP ratings. Funding will be sought for a follow up energy assessment upon completion of any uptake of Green Deal/ Heat Incentives measures.

Outcome 2:

To reduce the energy bills of residents in the Low Carbon Zone through implementation of domestic energy saving measures.

Energy advice given by Pendle Council to residents in West Craven reduced from 146 in 2010 to 26 in 2011 indicating a decline in energy awareness.
The project area has the highest levels of fuel poverty in Barnoldswick at 6%

Approximately 1,200 properties will benefit from the project. Improvements undertaken through the Healthy Homes Scheme indicate potential to improve SAP ratings by 22 through energy efficiency measures but potential renewable technologies offer greater scope for savings. Residents will also benefit from lower fuel bills upon uptake of Government schemes.

Uptake level of Government schemes in the project area. Funding will be sought for a follow up energy assessment upon completion of any uptake of Green Deal/ Heat Incentives measures. Number of households in fuel poverty

Outcome 3:

To reduce the carbon footprint of the Low Carbon Zone by reducing dependency on energy supplies and supporting community led renewable energy schemes.

A detailed micro-renewable study to determine possible community energy schemes has not been undertaken for Barnoldswick.

Findings from the micro-energy study will be incorporated into the emerging Neighbourhood Plan.

In the longer term, carbon savings generated by micro-energy schemes. Funding will be sought to deliver a follow up survey once/ if schemes are implemented.

2.3 What are your key deliverables for your project
Use the section below to tell us what you would like funding to deliver and the roles of your organisation and partners or sub-contractors (e.g. energy survey company or installer for demonstration projects). Note that all of your deliverables should be focused on improving the energy efficiency of buildings in your area or developing renewable energy projects.
List each deliverable in turn and tell us:
• What it is (including an outline of what studies will cover and content of engagement programmes – see guidance for more detail)
• When it will be completed?
• What roles will the lead organisation and partners/contractors play?
The guidance also contains information on the types of support (like support on effective community engagement, working with installers or technical support on energy efficiency or renewable energy) that you as a community could incorporate into your bid to enable you to deliver the programme as successfully as possible.

Complete an energy survey on 200 properties to be identified through a random sample of properties in the project area. These surveys will determine SAP ratings and potential for energy saving measures.
This will be delivered by an energy surveying company who has the technical expertise to undertake SAP surveys. A random sample of residents from the project area will be contacted inviting them to participate, emphasising that the free survey could result in financial and carbon savings for their household. This survey will be completed by 31st March. The Town Council will commission the survey and the results shared with households in the project area and the Town Council.

Purchase a Thermal heat camera to capture heat loss images and to loan out to other Parish Councils/ community groups and individuals. This will help convey visually the energy loss in neighbourhoods and encourage people to take action. It will be used as an engagement tool by the Town Council to raise awareness of energy inefficiencies, particularly throughout the winter period. The images will be used in an annual publicity campaign for Barnoldswick's Low Carbon Zone, commencing in the winter of 2012. (A thermal heat camera is currently available for hire through Lancashire County Council but due to high demand by the 12 District Councils, combined with the specific weather conditions required, camera availability is not been guaranteed). The Town Council will purchase the camera by 31st March.

Undertake a renewable energy survey to highlight which micro-renewable energy technologies would be most beneficial and appropriate for the area, especially given the conservation implications. Again, this will be commissioned by the Town Council and delivered by a local company specialising in renewable energy advice. It will consider options for individual properties as well as exploring the possibilities for community micro energy schemes such as CHP and ground source heat pumps. Costings, carbon and financial savings and payback periods will be calculated with the savings from individual properties fedback directly to the residents. The Town Council will receive a summary of the findings from the individual properties along with findings on the wider micro-energy schemes. Policy implications, such as those relating to conservation protection, will be considered and, if necessary, addressed through Barnoldswick's Neighbourhood Plan. Where appropriate, further funding will be sought to develop any micro-renewables schemes.

2.4 Links with other community projects
How does this project link with other community projects, networks, groups or activities already underway in your area?

This approach is supported by Pendle's Local Strategic Partnership who are keen to roll out similar models throughout Pendle. The project also builds on the Healthy Homes Improvement initiative whereby Pendle Council funded a small block improvement scheme of 16 properties. The project engaged the property residents. Some needed whole-house heating systems and extensive upgrading of the thermal envelope, whilst in another external thermal insulation was applied to a very large 3 storey gable-end providing much needed warmth to this north facing wall. Implementation of the project was based on detailed feasibility studies which provided the rationale for the investment.

Housing Pendle, the main RSL in the area, has recently installed PV solar panels on a number of their properties in West Craven. They have also installed a Ground Source Heat Pump in a sheltered housing development in Barnoldswick demonstrating increased activity in the renewables industry.

2.5 Lessons learnt
Tell us how you will share the lessons that you have learned (e.g. a workshop for other organisations, material on website etc.)

We will share the lessons learnt from phase 1 of this project by:
Disseminating findings from the project to other Town and Parish Councils throughout Pendle.
Disseminating findings to the 5 Area Committees in Pendle
Incorporating any findings from the Micro-Renewables study into the Neighbourhood Plan
Influencing Pendle's Core strategy to ensure alignment of policy requirements
Thermal images of domestic heat loss to be featured in local press as part of the associated ongoing publicity campaign
Sharing the findings and working alongside with Pendle Council's Locality Team for dissemination on Pendle council's website and to influence Pendle Council policy where appropriate.

2.6 Carbon emissions reductions
How will this work help you to deliver carbon emission reductions in future?

Based on the carbon savings generated through the Healthy Homes scheme, its likely that Phase 1 of the project will identify significant potential for carbon savings. For example, in the Healthy Homes scheme, the overall SAP improvement averaged 22 points per property with a total estimated annual carbon saving of 26 tonnes (average savings 2238kg, per property). Based solely on energy efficiency improvement measures, the potential carbon savings from the Low carbon Zone project could be much higher as this will include savings generated from renewables options. Phase 1 will help to deliver carbon reduction in the future as it will provide a catalyst for action, helping to establish a baseline for the area and identifying potential for financial and carbon savings. It'll inspire residents to take up the Green Deal and the Town Council will investigate funding options for suitable micro-renewable schemes.

3.1 Community member involvement
Please tell us how members of the community have been involved in developing this project and how they will be involved in running it and making decisions if we fund it.

Residents involved in the Healthy Homes scheme actively participated in the improvements of their street, delivering community 'greening' initiatives such as gardening workshops. They were consulted on appropriate energy efficiency measures for their home. The scheme delivered wider social and economic outcomes too with one resident securing an apprenticeship with a contractor and 2 long term vacant properties filled. Groundwork worked with residents on garden designs and residents worked together on environmental improvements. The scheme acted as a catalyst for wider environmental improvements with neighbouring streets undertaking environmental improvements themselves.
We want to replicate this approach and actively engage with residents, initially through door-to-door consultation which we will undertake as Town Councillors. We will also work with Pendle Council's Locality Team to support us with involving and empowering residents to be involved in the project and to take action.

3.2 Longer term work
If this application is for longer-term work (.e.g. a feasibility study for a larger project) please tell us how people within the community will be involved in developing and running that work.

This application is to fund phase 1 of the Low Carbon Zone project. It's part of a wider project in line with Pendle Partnership's commitment to establishing Low Carbon Zones throughout Pendle. In the longer term, this project aims to engage residents on projects in areas of food, transport, energy, education, housing, waste, arts etc. as a small-scale local response to the global challenges of climate change, economic hardship and shrinking supplies of cheap energy. This is in recognition that such small-scale responses make up something much bigger, and help demonstrate what can be achieved. We will seek input from Pendle Council's Locality Team to provide community development support for this scheme. Site visits to inspiring environmental community initiatives will be arranged.

Further consultation work with residents will be undertaken through Pendle's Community Research programme, an initiative which recruits and trains Pendle residents to undertake specific community research. Likewise, the Town Council hopes to seek further funding to offer young, unemployed residents training in energy efficiency measures (Green Apprenticeship scheme) and renewable technology installations.
By forging relations with residents, we hope to inspire action, not just for home energy improvements but also for collective action to deliver wider environmental improvements such as community food growing projects, treeplanting and community car sharing schemes.

Community development is key to this project as it will be the residents that determine the scope and direction of the Low Carbon Zone scheme. The Town Council is committed to seeking further funding to support the roll out of this programme.

4.1 Work already carried out
Describe the work you have carried out to date that has led you to apply for funding for these activities.

Over the years, we've successfully led on numerous community environmental events and projects in Barnoldswick such as Barnoldswick in Bloom. Our first entry won Gold and 'Best New Comer', demonstrating our commitment to enhancing the area. We've funded environmental groups to undertake improvements in the area and worked with partners on schemes such as ginnel repair work and footpath improvements. We're keen to expand our environmental work to include energy projects. We're excited about the opportunity to develop a Neighbourhood Plan and want to use this as a tool to take forward renewable schemes in Barnoldswick. We see this funding as an opportunity to kick start this work.

4.2 Project team experience
What relevant experience does your project team (including lead organisation and partners/contractors) have that will help you to deliver your project more effectively? This experience does not have to be related to energy projects but should help to illustrate that you have the capacity, skills and experience to deliver your project successfully.

As a Town Council, we have a sound track record of delivering local initiatives. We have significant project and financial management experience generated through a range of projects delivered over the last 20 years. Such projects include Christmas lights switch on, various events such as Barlick Beach and an annual fireworks display. Other longer term projects include the management of allotment sites. We have co-ordinated delivery of projects commissioned by West Craven Area Committee and have a good working relationship with both Pendle District Council and Lancashire County Council. A strong relationship with the local media will help us to cascade publicity and develop a local media campaign.

Our transferable project management skills means we are well placed to co-ordinate the delivery of this Low Carbon Zone project in Barnoldswick. We have the support of Pendle Council to advice on contractors, although we will adhere to our own tendering procedure to appoint the contractors. Pendle council is willing to support us with the community development aspects of this work and through Pendle Partnership, we can draw on support from other partners such as Groundwork. Likewise, we are supported by Lancashire County Council through both staffing and financial resources (LCC is committing £2,000 as match funding to this project).

5.1 Revenue

£46,000 (£32,000 energy surveys, £10,000 micro renewables study)

5.2 Capital
£4,000 thermal heat camera
Total sought: £48,000
Match funding from LCC £2,000

6.1 Declaration
To be signed by Chair and Clerk.

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Post by Tardis » 26 Jan 2012, 16:16

Forgot:

Decision day 31st January.

If things happen, there may well be a letter drop to the 1200 selected houses (Wellhouse/Long In) within the next couple of weeks...although I draw the line at delivering them whilst it is raining :grin:

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Post by Whyperion » 29 Jan 2012, 02:52

Dont worry , mid February I forecast Snow.
Any ideas what to suggest to Landlord that British Gas ran the heating pipes under the floor in the kitchen routed under the fridge , through the cupboard under stairs (av temp 40 deg c at a guess ) , which are permanently warm despite two out of four rads in lounge/diner being off and other two rad stat controlled. Then the loft conversion where to the eves insulation was a rough afterthought ( no access door on one side , tiny one on the other so batting out will be fun - and leaving enough draught for ventilation of roof timbers ). That aside as mid terrace it should be a bit easier to heat than the previous semi ( 1930s brick built no cavity wall ) .

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Post by Stanley » 29 Jan 2012, 05:35

Whippy, theory is that heat loss on CH pipes inside the body of the house is minimal and contributes to the heating of the fabric. Loft conversions can be a problem, on a frosty morning like today on some houses you can see the heat signature on the slates. Frost remaining on the area of the enclosure but thawed off to the eaves. Similar problem to my outshut kitchen/shed. If ever you re-roof, fill with insulation!
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Post by Bruff » 02 Feb 2012, 14:04

On another thread I noted the impartiality of the BBC. I see this as a good thing. I should perhaps say, 'generally' a good thing. You see, on climate change issues, the BBC will invariably put up some person who is of the sceptic wing and often the false sceptic wing (Lord Lawson crops up regularly). So R4 might give the impression there's been no warming, or at least the jury's out.

The consensus among researchers on human-induced climate change is such that if the BBC feels the need to be impartial on this issue, they should by rights have a representative from the Flat-Earth Society on this 'Stargazing' thing to say 'it's all a load of rubbish, actually'.

I think there's another group you need to add to the sceptics, and they are Lord Lawson types. Rabib free-marketeers who as a reflex, recoil from many of the solutions to climate change - state intervention and regulation. It rather blows a great big hole in their core philosophy.

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Spot on Bruff. And the only thing Lawson hates more than a climate change scientist is a woman climate change scientist.

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Post by Stanley » 03 Feb 2012, 07:17

I agree Tiz. Quite amazing to me how so many people lack the ability to take a detached view based on evidence. This isn't confined to climate change and global warming, we see it in all fields of debate about policy making. It's always refreshing to hear someone focussing on logical assessment and debate instead of allowing their personal prejudices to govern their response. I think the phrase 'open mind' covers it and it is a prerequisite of good scientific research. It also helps if the person starts from the position that they might be wrong.....
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Tardis wrote:My source: More or Less R4

Last Night's Council Meeting also had the LEAF application, and hopefully a cut'n'paste will allow the formatting to survive:



5.2 Capital
£4,000 thermal heat camera
Total sought: £48,000
Match funding from LCC £2,000

6.1 Declaration
To be signed by Chair and Clerk.
I wonder if it will produce images of non thermal heat?

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Post by Tardis » 04 Feb 2012, 13:46

It is possible that a similar camera from LCC will be played with in Southfield on Thursday. Weather dependant. If I get there I will report back.

The LEAF application made the B&E too, and the decision is expected to be Monday although it has already been postponed once.

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Post by Stanley » 09 Feb 2012, 07:10

Not sure of the spelling but Schellenberg disease in cattle and sheep, carried by mosquitoes, is spreading from the Netherlands to the UK. The vets are getting quite exercised about it. A consequence of temperature rise?
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Post by Whyperion » 10 Feb 2012, 01:27

Running back to my current inhabited property , unfortuately the owner badly commissioned the loft conversion , I doubt if a re roof ( plasterboard/insulation batts/ felt / replace slates ( which are in good condition ) was ever done , the out end double story much the same, and the outbuilding single story untouched ( currently have exposed lathes and or just tiles on it in half of it. The CH pipes are not much use when they are run under the fridge and then red hot in the understairs cupboard - its getting heat where I dont want it at all.

Going to climate change , the severe winds from Siberia back to Western Europe are consistent with some of the models run, and meanwhile both poles are having longer higher temperatures. Problem is UK alone ( and Europe ) cannot solve the problem ( but will continue to add to the problem if they dont do something ). I said probably 30 years ago that the biggest contributors , excluding rainforest clearance , were the USA/Soviet Union with inefficient industry and would be China as soon as industrialisation took off. Having said that I also thing the Russia has enginered melting of Artic Ice to increase its territorial waters claims , ( not that I have any evidence for such a action or pre-meditated motive )

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Post by Tizer » 10 Feb 2012, 09:21

Whippy, can you put the usual foam tube insulation on your CH pipes? Or failing that, use a can of spray foam insulation? With the loft etc, there are systems for injecting or spraying foam into the gap between two layers or as a thick coating on the underside of a roof.

As for Russia deliberately melting the Arctic ice, I doubt it because the ice is melting anyway due to the background temperature rise in the atmosphere and oceans.

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Post by Tardis » 10 Feb 2012, 16:43

That doesn't quite explain why North Africa is currently so cold.

Probably far more likely that the upper atmosphere is currently disturbed and the sequencing of the high winds has moved the weather around the globe, much like it did last year for the 'cold spell'

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Post by Tizer » 10 Feb 2012, 16:56

Yes, the jet streams are all over the place at the moment with hot places cold and cold places hot (if you see what I mean!).

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Post by catgate » 10 Feb 2012, 17:18

Whyperion wrote:..... Having said that I also thing the Russia has enginered melting of Artic Ice to increase its territorial waters claims , ( not that I have any evidence for such a action or pre-meditated motive )
I have a feeling that Russia is stockpiling the water, in what used to be the Aral sea, by cutting the ice into suitably shaped block and then transporting them thence by rail.

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Post by Whyperion » 10 Feb 2012, 18:47

Tizer wrote:Whippy, can you put the usual foam tube insulation on your CH pipes? Or failing that, use a can of spray foam insulation? With the loft etc, there are systems for injecting or spraying foam into the gap between two layers or as a thick coating on the underside of a roof.
Not really , plasterboarded loft ceiling - just dont think there is much in the way of insulation above it , apart from under eaves void accessed by a small wood covered opening , the opening of which is smaller than the girth of me and too far away for hands to work into the space. CH pipes laid into the screed/ floor , new kitchen units built over the top thereof and fridge fitted in as well.

Artic melting - Russian conspiracy in terms of increasing CO2 emissions to cause the climate change rather than a full boil up the surrounding sea ( mind you with warm power station outlet water ).

Jet Stream - so whats affecting that , Sunspots / Solar Flares? or an general thermal difference creating the wind movements.

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Post by Stanley » 11 Feb 2012, 05:58

We covered Jet Stream recently. Latest research suggests that sunspot activity is one of the major perturbation factors. We are going through a high activity period at the moment.
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