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Post by Stanley » 10 May 2018, 03:51

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Over the years stone steps wear like these have and in wet or frosty weather can be lethal. Our ancestors used their heads, the got a mason in to turn them so that the unworn bottom surface became the top and fill the void either with mortar or a stone insert. If you live in an old house with a stone doorstep have a look, you might find out that yours has been done.
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Post by Cathy » 10 May 2018, 07:25

Love seeing the wear of time and usage, a bit like Grandma's wooden kitchen board after years of food preparation.
A hand rail would be a good idea though.
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Post by Marilyn » 10 May 2018, 11:36

I so wish I had your memory of Grandma and the dent in her table Cathy.. I was just that little bit young I suppose.
(Sigh) such a shame...
I do recall visiting Colne Road as an adult and being overcome by emotion to the point of having trouble breathing. So there must have been some memory there. ( and I did remember the cobbles)

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Post by Stanley » 11 May 2018, 03:15

That's very touching Maz. Memory can be such a comfort.
Something I learned while doing the interviews for the LTP with the older end about times gone by was that almost all of them told me on first meeting them that they had a bad memory, full of forgotten corners! But as soon as I started the questions I triggered off long term forgotten memories and they were all surprised how much they could remember. A|t one point I suggested that the same techniques should be used as therapy in care homes. Hedley Bradshaw in Earby had zero short term memory but as soon as you triggered him he was eloquent about things long gone. I found the same thing with my mate David Moore after a stroke destroyed his short term memory completely. We all have forgotten corners.......
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Post by Bodger » 11 May 2018, 07:24

Visiting my grandmother in Sheffield and being told to sit at the back of the room and be quiet, sitting on a a sofa stuffed with horse hair that was coming through the covering, in short trousers it was like sitting on thistles

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Post by Stanley » 12 May 2018, 02:59

I remember those bristles as well Bodge.

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Post by Stanley » 13 May 2018, 05:22

I don't know why this came to mind but the lady who used to live at number two in the back street popped into my head. I never knew her name but she always got 'German Anna'. When I first moved in she called round to let me know that we had paid too much for the house, the last occupant had died of cancer and could she come to the house warming party. I asked her what she did for an encore.... I think she cleared houses or something like that and needless to say I kept away from her. A 'bit of a character'.
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Post by Stanley » 14 May 2018, 03:36

I haven't got it but I have seen an image of cattle and sheep being sold on Church Street many years ago. I don't know how often the sale tool place. Gisburn and many other towns had the same but every week. That would cause a bit of a stir today!
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Post by Stanley » 15 May 2018, 05:27

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Here's a pic I did this morning. Let's not forget the effort that has gone into improving the small area in front of Foresters Buildings. The Copper Beech was already there but it was an inspired piece of design to install the semi-circular flower bed and its backing in the shape of the horizon over Whitemoor. A good advertisement aimed at anyone approaching the town from the Ribble Valley or Skipton.
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Post by Stanley » 16 May 2018, 02:58

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I mentioned this a while ago. It's the back wall of what used to be David Hoyle's joinery shop in Bank Street which will shortly be vanishing as the site is developed. There is quite a drop there to Bank Street and I wonder what measures have been taken to stabilise the ground......Funny things can happen when old buildings are removed which have been functioning as revetments.
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Post by Stanley » 17 May 2018, 05:24

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The squatter's hovel in Walmsgate in 1982 when the council were considering demolishing it and 'tidying' the site. This came to my notice and I pointed out to the council that it was acting as a revetment to the ground behind and they could perhaps rue taking it out. They took notice, investigated, and refurbished it instead. This preserved the foot path behind which is a remnant of the original direct route through Barlick via Philip Street from what used to be a ford where Gillians Beck crossed the road. Win win all round!
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Post by Stanley » 18 May 2018, 04:09

Thinking about revetments..... When there was a proposal to redevelop Butts Mill as a supermarket I asked an awkward question: Had anyone considered the effect of removing the mill from the massive cut back into the hill that had been made to build it? If I was living in the houses overlooking the mill I'd want some very strong reassurances and guarantees. It never happened of course and I've often wondered if my question had a bearing. It was legitimate, when the mill was built the hill was cut away and the spoil dumped up Calf Hall Lane filling in an old quarry and I suspect covering part of the old monastic site.
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Post by Stanley » 19 May 2018, 05:36

One of the things that often strikes me as I walk up Butts in a morning from Valley Gardens is how sheltered it is. We know from the old trade directories that part of B&D's yard at the top end used to be a market garden supplying the shops in the town. True, it gets the sun late because of it being a valley and perhaps in winter it could be a frost trap but on the whole there are worst places in the town and I'll bet it was a good place to grow produce. Today it is flown in from all corners of the world, truly a forgotten corner.

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The 1892 map is admirable but doesn't identify the market gardens however you can see there is plenty of room for them.
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Post by Stanley » 20 May 2018, 03:32

Something I have only just noticed on the above map. I knew that a house and a stable had been demolished on the gable end of 12 King Street to allow access between Brook Street and King Street but hadn't realised until now that there was a through way along the back of the houses into the top end of Newtown. Brook Street was the recognised town market place at the end of the 19th century of course, that's why over the years it has never been built on and is now a handy car park.
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Post by Nolic » 20 May 2018, 07:13

I have vague memories of their being a market on Brook Street in the very early 50's. Nolic
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