DIALECT AND WORD MEANINGS

[Tizer]

I recently read `the idea rankles with me' in a newspaper. I hadn't heard `rankles' for ages....

rankle (v.)
c. 1300, ranclen, of a sore, wound, etc., "to fester," from Old French rancler, earlier raoncler, draoncler "to suppurate, run," from draoncle "abscess, festering sore," from Medieval Latin dracunculus, literally "little dragon," diminutive of Latin draco "serpent, dragon" (see dragon). According to OED (citing Skeat and also Godefroy's "Dictionnaire De L'ancienne Langue Française"), the notion is of an ulcer caused by a snake's bite. Transitive meaning "cause to fester" is from c. 1400. Figurative use, of feelings, etc., is from 16c. Related: Rankled; rankling.
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[Tripps]

I wonder how long it takes to tune that?

A lot longer than this instrument. Twenty six strings plays two.

I like a bit of Mongolian throat music me.

[Stanley]

Why is that so weirdly fascinating?
Thanks for the diversion into 'rankle' Peter. I haven't heard it used for a long time either.
This topic is like A&E for archaic words.... Lovely!

[Stanley]

I used the word 'evict' in Politics Corner this morning and was moved to look at the etymology. Here's what I found:-
late Middle English (in the sense ‘recover property by legal process’): from Latin evict- ‘overcome, defeated’, from the verb evincere, from e- (variant of ex- ) ‘out’ + vincere ‘conquer’.
Somehow it seems right that the root of the word is so violent and war-like. Perhaps if MPs were aware of the violent connotations it might influence how they regard the legal process.
Seen in the news....

dissectologist
New Word Suggestion
A jigsaw puzzle enthusiast. Presumably from the original 18C name for the forerunner of jigsaws, 'dissected maps.'
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Status: This word is being monitored for evidence of usage.

[Cathy]

2 new words for me today.
Pootle - to travel or go in a relaxed or leisurely manner.
And Bimble - to walk or travel at a leisurely pace, a slow relaxed walk or journey.
Different words with the same meanings.

I thought of Kev, on his recent trip away.

[Wendyf]

Cathy I have pootled regularly, in fact I've been pootling in the garden this morning but I have never bimbled....ever.

[PanBiker]

I have to bimble now but not by choice. Daft thing is it doesn't apply when going uphill.

[Stanley]

I knew Pootle Cathy but not Bimble.
(All my walking is pootling nowadays!)

[Cathy]

Pootle was used by the lovely Allistair from Escape to the Country.

[Tripps]

We mentioned the word 'rhotic' a while ago and its connection to the Lancashire accent. I stumbled across this lady today who demonstrates, like no one else I've ever heard, (with the possible exception of Uncle Jim) the rhotic 'R ' sound. She speaks a lot of sense I'd say. What is a "white fundamentalist" anyway? Worth a look I'd say - and at her other short videos. Being one herself - she's very strong on the lady WASPI pensioners.

[Stanley]

I would hesitate before expressing any opinions about the Lancashire dialect as I am not a fully paid up member. I'm on slightly firmer ground with Yorkshire.

[Stanley]

I used a word this morning and looked it up.
Nesh is an English dialect adjective meaning 'unusually susceptible to cold weather' and there is no synonym for this use. It is embraced as a Nottingham word although usage has been recorded in Staffordshire, the East Midlands, Lancashire, North Wales, South Yorkshire and Shropshire.
The word comes from Old English hnesce meaning feeble, weak, or infirm and is a cognate with the 16th century Dutch word nesch typically meaning damp or foolish.

[Tripps]

Nesh -"there is no synonym" - I'd suggest that another Northern word 'mard' comes fairly close.

Stanley said elsewhere -
"I am so lucky that I don't get sated by eating the same things all the time"

Which brought to mind the noun from 'sated' which is 'satiety'. Rarely seen, which is surprising in view of the new celebrity wonder weight loss drug semaglutide (other names are used) which induce a feeling of satiety in it users.

[Stanley]

Glad you noticed David. A much underused word I feel these days.....
As I understand it this latest wonder drug that induces weight loss is an injection and has to be repeated. I don't think I'll bother......
(Did you ever come across the story that Maria Callas induced a spectacular period of wight loss by having a tapeworm installed in her intestines? If you're interested have a look at THIS)

[Tripps]

Maria Callas induced a spectacular period of weight loss

I think I'll stick with Montserrat Caballe

[Stanley]

I agree David. I am also reminded of the best advertisement ever....

[Tizer]

There is a mention in another thread of the local pronunciation of Whitworth. When I worked at Boots in Darwen in the 1960s the elderly storeman pronounced my home town as `Blegburn'.

[Sue]

I recently read `the idea rankles with me' in a newspaper. I hadn't heard `rankles' for ages....

rankle (v.)
c. 1300, ranclen, of a sore, wound, etc., "to fester," from Old French rancler, earlier raoncler, draoncler "to suppurate, run," from draoncle "abscess, festering sore," from Medieval Latin dracunculus, literally "little dragon," diminutive of Latin draco "serpent, dragon" (see dragon). According to OED (citing Skeat and also Godefroy's "Dictionnaire De L'ancienne Langue Française"), the notion is of an ulcer caused by a snake's bite. Transitive meaning "cause to fester" is from c. 1400. Figurative use, of feelings, etc., is from 16c. Related: Rankled; rankling.
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Rankle, used a lot in Rochdale

[Stanley]

I have often heard 'Blegburn' Peter. And round that neck of the woods they tend to say 'hoo' instead of 'he' and it can be very confusing!
I found Rochdale a very individual place when it came to language Sue. Trouble is I can't remember them....

[Tizer]

Rankle, used a lot in Rochdale.

But is that because it's a Rochdale word or because Rochdale people have more to be rankled about than the rest of us, Sue?

[Tripps]

I agree Rochdale speech had some idiosyncracies, but from my own experience, I wouldn't think rankle was one of them.


I think we decided in 2012 that 'hoo' applied only to females.

Hoo

[Stanley]

The first time I came across 'hoo' was in Accrington and the man who was using the word was referring to the man who had taken his crowbar. I thought he was saying 'who' and it all got very confusing.

[Sue]

I agree Rochdale speech had some idiosyncracies, but from my own experience, I wouldn't think rankle was one of them.


I think we decided in 2012 that 'hoo' applied only to females.

Hoo

It is certainly one I hear a lot, however the area of Rochdale I live in has a lot of incomers and the people I know are not generally Rochdale born and bred. I , myself have a mix of Yorkshire, Lancashire, Nottinghamshire and the NE, many of my friends amazingly so are similar, except Kath who is born and bred Rochdale

[Tripps]

We must move in different circles. I don't think I have ever heard the word rankles in ordinary speech anywhere. I'd consider it a writing word rather than a speaking word. A couple of examples of Rochdale usage which have stuck in my memory - I never heard any of them before I became involved in Rochdale.

Gawly rather than goalie
Joining rather than sharing.
Fou' meaning ugly. (she were right fou')
Favvers meaning looks like. (Tha favvers a ghost)

Bear in mind I am talking about fifty years ago, and I'm comparing Rochdale speech with Oldham speech. I doubt any of the above would be in use almost anywhere today.

[Stanley]

"I doubt any of the above would be in use almost anywhere today."
I think you're right there David. I think that eventually we'll all be speaking 'media English' and nothing local.
I like your distinction between written and spoken words, I do the same thing.