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Post by Cathy » 24 May 2019, 05:15

Like Grandma's house :smile:

Do you know what year the 2 up 2 down houses on Colne rd / Back Colne rd were built Stanley?
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Post by Marilyn » 24 May 2019, 05:52

They would have to make modern day adaptions to the modern version of "two up,two down". Parking needs to be provided for and a green outside area where children can play. Privacy needs consideration too. In modern society, being overlooked by neighbours is not acceptable. Everyone is entitled to privacy.

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Post by Stanley » 24 May 2019, 06:02

Not specifically Cathy but I think I can make a good guess of between 1850 and 1870.
Maz, If that is the case how come people are paying up to £70,000 for them? Those prices are for houses in Hill Street with no yards, spaces or anything but street parking. People seem to value an affordable roof over their heads more than frills.
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Post by Big Kev » 24 May 2019, 07:43

Parking and outdoor space is a requirement for new build I believe.
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Post by Marilyn » 25 May 2019, 01:31

It is here Big Kev. We have site coverage restrictions too. The size of your plot governs how much open outside area you must have within your own boundary in relation to the house that is built.

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Post by Stanley » 25 May 2019, 02:09

Perhaps we need some latitude in the Town planning acts then....

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This building in Commercial Street, one of the ones on top of the old shambles below, used to be Paul Brydon's marine store before he moved to Longfield Lane many years ago. It is now our local tattoo parlour.
When I was a lad tattooing was almost exclusively confined to sailors and soldiers who had travelled abroad but in recent years seems to have become an art form. It holds no attractions for me and never has done. [I did tell the grandchildren I had a butterfly tattooed on my bum at one time and they were vastly impressed!]
There was another form of tattooing that used to be common but today is non-existent. You found it on miner's faces and it was where particles of coal had penetrated the skin when they were too close to blasting operations. With the demise of deep mining this is now a forgotten corner.
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Post by plaques » 25 May 2019, 07:29

Don't get me going about tattooing. It now appears to be a craze for 'men?' who like to look tough and young ladies who want to keep in fashion. Generally I think its their choice but when you see someone with more pictures and scribblings than a toilet wall In begin to doubt their sanity.

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Post by PanBiker » 25 May 2019, 09:10

Stanley wrote:
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It is now our local tattoo parlour.
Stuart has been there for quite a number of years now. He is not the only one, we have at least two others in town.

Some tattoos can be quite comforting if they have personal meaning. Stuart did Sally's "Dan" on her forearm and later the small butterfly above her ankle that is inked with some of Dan's ashes.
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Post by Marilyn » 25 May 2019, 11:06

Personally, I am not keen on tattoos...but maybe I have never faced a moment in life where having one would fill a need or speak something I wish to impress on my flesh forever. I remember feeling terribly sad when I discovered my son had one done
( but then that iwas a "Mum" thing. I gave birth to this perfect form...why destroy that body with a tattoo?) He hid it from me and it was when I noticed blood on his shirt that he revealed it. It was a sad day for me.
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Post by Stanley » 26 May 2019, 03:14

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Chainsaw had tattoos.....
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Post by Stanley » 27 May 2019, 03:35

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The caption on this image is 'Burnt Mill'. I think it's at the scene of a fire at Butts Mill in about 1920. What grabbed me was the style of the flat caps!
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Post by Whyperion » 27 May 2019, 11:14

Big Kev wrote:
24 May 2019, 07:43
Parking and outdoor space is a requirement for new build I believe.
Need to talk on this elsewhere rather than forgotten corners, but there are policies normally at the top planning authority level (so LCC rather than B&P I think for this locality), the extact amount can be diverged from if it is in the context of 'sustainable developement' and may be reduced on PTAL values for parking ( though what suitable Public Transport is when it does not run at night and similar I dont think is defined ). Cycle storage , inside or outside the building can also be specified at up to two cycle storage spaces.

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Post by Tripps » 27 May 2019, 11:31

I was involved in a planning situation where permission had been granted, subject to providing parking for 'one and a half cars'. I was unable to find out what that meant.

The project was also deemed to have 'started' and 'not started ' simultaneously.

It's a funny old world is 'planning' . :smile:
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Post by chinatyke » 27 May 2019, 13:29

Stanley wrote:
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I think it's at the scene of a fire at Butts Mill in about 1920.
As soon as I saw the picture I thought it was Butts Mill. I don't know why it was immediate recognition but I did work there for about 10 months back in 1963/4.

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Post by Stanley » 28 May 2019, 02:24

Almost certainly right China.
Flat caps.... We used to have a Greenwood's on the corner of Church and Brook Streets, that was the flat cap centre 60 years ago. Now a restaurant of course!
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Post by plaques » 28 May 2019, 07:44

Stanley wrote:
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Flat caps.... We used to have a Greenwood's on the corner of Church and Brook Streets
How did flat caps get the name 'Ratters'?

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Post by Whyperion » 28 May 2019, 08:13

Stanley wrote:
28 May 2019, 02:24
Almost certainly right China.
Flat caps.... We used to have a Greenwood's on the corner of Church and Brook Streets, that was the flat cap centre 60 years ago. Now a restaurant of course!
I suppose it should be noted before becoming a restaurant the shop area was a Chemists/Fancy Goods emporium, I don't know if that was from when Greenwoods closed or something else appeared. ( Lancashire and Yorkshire outfitters chain generally - they shut shops gradually as changes occured, but one of the last in Burnley closed shortly after the chains liquidation ).

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Post by Stanley » 29 May 2019, 03:34

Yes, there was a shambles type shop there after Greenwoods. Come to think it might have been the same one that is now in Town Square.
Ratting hats. I remember calling caps that P and always assumed it was because the less voluminous ones were associated with filed sports. I always favoured them....
The standard schoolboy's hat when I was a lad was the tight fitting panelled cap with button on top and the school badge on the front. These were popular first with motorists in the Edwardian era as they didn't blow off when driving an open car. As cars got faster they were worn with the neb at the back. (Why 'neb' I wonder....) Today the street wise kids wear their baseball caps with the neb anywhere but at the front. This stems back to the early days of electric arc welding, in order to get a head shield on over the top of the cap which you kept on to protect the top of your head from sparks, you had to have the neb at the back. There is a specialised welders cap made By Kromer in the US out of specially treated cotton to make them flame retardant which fits your head better back to front, like a skull cap with the neb protecting your neck. They are always brightly coloured so you can find a welder easily when they get lost.....

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The Kromer cap in use.....
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Post by PanBiker » 29 May 2019, 08:27

The shop on Church street, formerly Greenwoods was "Bodycare" before it became No 23 The Grill. I don't think the owners are the same as Shambles but Maggie that works at one of the outlets previously worked at Bodycare
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Post by Stanley » 30 May 2019, 03:31

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Sometimes doorsteps to shops can be enlightening. This pic is of the doorstep of what used to be Woodworth's watchmaker's shop at 26 Church Street. You can see the 'W' inset in the terrazzo finish. The pic looks a bit peculiar because I had to muck about with the curves to get it to stand out.
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Post by Stanley » 31 May 2019, 03:53

Very few people will know what a 'winding hole' is. It's a place on the canal which is wide enough for a boat to turn round. There's one at Long Ing to the west of the bridge and one at Greenberfield as well.
That brings to mind 'whuzzing hoil' which is even more obscure. This is a hole in a house wall that was used in the days when domestic woollen weaving was common. One of the processes in preparing the wool was washing it and the whuzzing hoil was a simple but effective way of getting water out of the raw fleece. The wool was put in a net and this was hung on a stick with one end in the hole. The net could then be swung at high speed round the stick with very little effort and was the predecessor of the spin dryer. Simple but very effective and now of course a forgotten corner.
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Post by Wendyf » 31 May 2019, 06:21

I pointed out the wuzzing holes by the doorway of the farm in Wycoller to the friends we were walking with on Tuesday.

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Post by Stanley » 01 Jun 2019, 03:39

Good Woman! I might have known that you would be aware of them.

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These stones up on Letcliffe have always intrigued me. They are obviously re-used and the holes are deliberate. No small matter making those holes in those days, question is why? If only they could speak.....

That reminds me of something I frequently refer to, the requisition of garden railings during WW2. I suspect that the vast majority of people never question why there is evidence of holes in the top of the garden walls of old properties (that's most of them in Barlick!). It's all part of being aware of the world around us and I fear that in this age of screen-based culture and ready made opinions we are losing this natural curiosity, our worlds are so busy on other things like looking at the screen of a mobile phone as you walk round instead of looking at the far greater source of information, the world around us. I know this sounds old-fashioned but it makes sense!
Perhaps taking notice of the real, physical world is in itself a forgotten corner.
Wendy was striking a blow for this principle when she pointed out the wuzzing holes to her companions.
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Post by Wendyf » 01 Jun 2019, 06:17

I must have learnt about them at Wycoller. As you walk up Stanridge Clough Lane out of Earby, past the farm (now renamed Sweet Pea Farm) and up onto the moor there is a stone beside a field gateway full of wuzzing holes. It must have been reused in the wall at some time. Probably from Higher Verjuice of which very little remains..
Having field walked a few times with John Clayton I look at every stone!

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Post by Stanley » 01 Jun 2019, 06:33

Don't talk to me about John and stones! I interrupted him one day when he was waxing lyrical about a stone. I told him it was just a bloody stone and could we please get on! :biggrin2:
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